First ask yourselves

1. where and what will be the energy replacement source?
2. will it be uniform and compatible with the national grid which diverts. energy in times of blackouts.
3. What will be the added cost of the shutdown to the average taxpayer/homeowner.
4. What would NYC/Tri-State area do for power during periods of extended heat waves if and when they are denied access to other grids already under similar stresses and strains?
5. Watch closely as soon as this is passed, the corporates begin living in their solar powered their gov't subsidized solar powered office buildings to avoid having to contribute one dime, or give a ratz azz about you when the costs of the new alternatives, price fixing and costlier retrofits drain every last penny of your consumer dollars/spending money- and they profit from the "insider knowledge" of knowing that they have a 100% captured market to hawk their quick money price fixes based upon "marked to market"pricing- just like they already do to you with gasoline and heating oil. ISN'T THAT PRICELESS?


After considering 1-5 the real questions become this... How would you prefer being skewered? How much are you willing to pay for the privilege?

Your friendly concerned "insiders" and their government setup men want to know.

Be Careful NYers! There's always a method to the madness.

RON PAUL- DEFENDS THE FREE MARKET! Rejects Feds gimmicks and private sector "price fixing". Citing the warnings from the more traditional time honored prophesies and guidelines of the Good Book. (1min)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qs6lGVcRdE

RON PAULS REVOLUTION ALIVE! and growing more adament in our youth. Watch as CNN's Erin Burnett tries trick questions to get these student leaders to say something negative she can use to detract from his message. THE GIG IS UP! Sorry, too bad for corporate Dems and Republicans. These kidz WON'T BE FOOLED- EVER!
Perhaps, we can all take a page from them- ...and "honor our own convictions". They know that their votes and privacies matter. Will not SELL OUT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp5bfxpchAY

PON PAUL TIES GOP IN KNOTS

"One of the things that's hurt the so-called conservative alternative is saying negative things about Ron Paul," DeMint told radio host Laura Ingraham this week. "I'd like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas."

Read: As Jim Demint flip flops from adament 2010 position. As growing numbers of disenfranchised Republican conservatives flock to and arm Ron Paul in his constitutional REVOLUTION.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/opinion/welch-paul-libertarianism/index.html

Well the primary consideration regarding the Nuclear plant is whether or not it is safe or how safe is it really? If there is virtually ZERO chance of an accident, then we should re license. Every other reason is secondary. But who is most qualified to determine its safety? I know it is not me.

Reply from other broken thread...

"THEY'VE BANKRUPTED OUR NATION, OVEREXTENDED THEIR OWN MARGINS OF CREDIT BOTH HERE AND ABROAD LEAVING US WITH THE DEFICIT AND THE ENTIRE BILL OF THEIR NON-REFUNDABLE WELFARE TAX HOLIDAY."- John

IF WE HAVE A DEFICIT THEN IT SHOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE ENTITIES THAT CAUSED THE DEFICIT AND NOT BY THE INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, THE VICTIMS CAST ASIDE AS FINACIAL RED INK AS EXCESS BAGGAGE, AND OUR NATION WHILE GO ABOUT PLAYING THESE "GLOBALISM" PONZI SCHEMES WITH INSIDIOUS "TOO BIG TO FAILS" AND "FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS" THAT ARE PICKING OUR BONES DRY. - John

Bush & Cheney for 8 years did nothing about it until the bailout for Wall Street and not main street. - Caspian

John / Caspian, your comments are the reason why OWS cannot gain widespread support by the majority of Americans and why we, as a nation are divided.

So John, I ask you the same question I asked Caspian who exactly bankrupted this nation? You say the wealthy is at War with us. So who are the wealthy, the 1%? How about the 10%? How about the wealthy banks and financial institutes that supply jobs for millions of Americans and had nothing to do with the financial disaster. What about the wealthy businessmen in other sectors who employee millions of Americans? You are at War with the wealthy whether innocent or guilty, it does not seem to matter to you. What about the government? Do they have any responsibility for our financial situation, for our trade agreements and for punishing those who are guilty?

How is it you support Ron Paul? He supports government reforms, auditing the Fed and justice. He is not looking to punish anyone who is wealthy simply because they are wealthy. He targets the problem, the exact cause of the problem. He supported going after Al Qaeda because they were guilty he did not support IRAQ because they had nothing to do with 9/11. So Ron Paul is a man of principles.

As for the WS bailouts, it was only those most Conservative who were against them, not those most Liberal. Yet they had to be done. Why? Because if Wall street had fallen so would we. The pain we are feeling now would have been nothing compared to the major depression that we still could all experience. So what do we do? Engage in War with the wealthy? No, we target only those who are responsible!

So now You and Caspian want another bailout. A bailout for main street. And where should that bailout money come from? Is it the wealthy, any wealthy anybody but you OR is it ONLY those who are responsible! Any other answer except "those who are responsible" is unjust and divisive.

Only the NRC is qualified to make such calls, besides they intimately know the plant inside and out, having had permanent residence inspectors on site for ages and ages. They not only are free to roam around the plant looking for technical problems but are allowed to interface under law with any and all plant personnel of their choosing.

Read the post, Mike. the answer that you refuse to acknowledge, in order to extricate yourself as a pious, non- combatant in this continuing liquidation process that has been underway full speed ahead over the last decade is right in front of your eyes.

"IF WE HAVE A DEFICIT THEN IT SHOULD BE PAID FOR "BY THE ENTITIES" THAT CAUSED THE DEFICIT"...
"IF WE HAVE A DEFICIT THEN IT SHOULD BE PAID FOR ---> "BY THE ENTITIES" THAT CAUSED THE DEFICIT"...
"IF WE HAVE A DEFICIT THEN IT SHOULD BE PAID FOR ---> "BY THE ENTITIES" THAT CAUSED THE DEFICIT"....
If they were "the speculators" -SO BE IT!
If it was the insurance industry who risked PREMIUMS PAYER reserve capital- SO BE IT!
If it is the snake oil bastards who have run our energy policy and demanded "marked to market" pricing while our decade long amounts of reserves were already filled to capacity with $32per barrel oil and making us pay extortion prices for oil not even out of the ground - SO BE IT!
The ponzi schemers, their government enablers and facilatators- SO BE IT!
Since we all know which financials and banksta' operations were guilty- SO BE IT!

Since, all of these obscene operators have either accessed or took advantage of a rigged justice system and ignored their better judgment in order to reap their windfalls and have been more than willing to commit portions of this windfall to insure that the working stiff has no recourse to recover their losses that were systematicly stolen- then, RENDERING JUSTICE in whatever form is deemed necessary is not only appropriate, it is vital to restoring any confidence in this capitalist system that is spiraling straight down the proverbial shitter.

These people some of which were deliberate arch criminals and war profiteers, had their opportunity to make the pot right by voluntarily surrendering their taxpayer paid welfare taxbreaks and a small portion of their ill gotten gains but, they didn't come forth.
Instead, they thumbed their noses and gave themselves bonuses with our stimulus money.- IF JAIL TIME IS WHAT IS DEMANDED FROM THIS POINT FORWARD- SO BE IT!
Every law enforcement agency in this country had issued the same warning that since time immemorial that is supposed to be observed, obeyed, and adherred to follow under penalty of law by everyone DON'T DO THE CRIME, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME! FEIGNING IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!

By the way, I never solicited anything more in that post other than repayment of ill-gotten gains.
Never suggested another bailout.

It was you who once again ignored what was right before your eyes, in order to intimate that myself and Caspian were on some kind of witch hunting vendetta and warped the entire message of the post ...why?

American capitalism works when it has "Honesty, truth, integrity, and real tangible values backing behind its currency.
Without it, its as useful as toilet paper.

Mike where do you come off as the new resident expert and leading Ron Paul supporter on this board. We Caspian and myself were aboard in 2007. We cited and envisioned Paul as the 3rd party alternative this country needs to avoid the trappings from the corruptions of ultra right warmongering NeoCon Reps and the ungodly social reengineering left Dems. Then he dropped out.
Caspian still voted for Ron Paul in the presidential, I conceeded that a wasted vote for a dropout candidate was useless in '08.
Conversely, we remember you when you identified yourself as a Sarah Palin desciple of the Dick Armey Tea Party mutation faction, who ragged myself and Caspian when we correctly informed you of the right wing NEOCON hijacking of Ron Pauls original Tea Party uprising.

Now that you profess to be on the right team, quit trying so hard to cling to yesterdays status quos. Relax, set your mind free. Then, begin to enjoy and envision a better day.

"Mike where do you come off as the new resident expert and leading Ron Paul supporter on this board. We Caspian and myself were aboard in 2007"... Conversely, we remember you when you identified yourself as a Sarah Palin disciple of the Dick Armey Tea Party mutation faction, who ragged myself and Caspian when we correctly informed you of the right wing NEOCON hijacking of Ron Pauls original Tea Party uprising." - John

"Now that you profess to be on the right team, quit trying so hard to cling to yesterdays status quos. Relax, set your mind free. Then, begin to enjoy and envision a better day." John

John, I never claimed to be the expert that's what you say. I never identified myself with Sarah Palin that's what you think. I agreed with Tea Party principles and STILL DO. And the sad truth for you, is so did Ron Paul, so does Ron Paul and so does Rand Paul. Don't you know, the apple does not fall far from the tree? Or is it only an expert that can think this way?


"By the way, I never solicited anything more in that post other than repayment of ill-gotten gains.Never suggested another bailout.It was you who once again ignored what was right before your eyes, in order to intimate that myself and Caspian were on some kind of witch hunting vendetta and warped the entire message of the post ...why?" - John

Why you ask? It is from how first Caspian and then you replied to my posts and not from everything else you added in afterwards. Look for yourself at the inconsistencies or don't bother to look, keep the blinders on it does not matter. You have your way of thinking and I have mine and neither one of us will change. We may have reached the point that explanations are futile...

Caspian - The 8 years of Bush/Cheney and now 3 plus years of Obama ONLY benefited the wealthy few who own most of Congress.
01/15/12 @ 21:30

Me - Is life in this country really that bad for you that you have not realized any benefit?
01/16/12 @ 00:00

Caspian - Personally for me I'm doing fine.
01/16/12 @ 08:02

Caspian - P.S. Mike G. the WEALTHIEST won the war a long time ago and most Americans do not realize it yet.
01/16/12 @ 12:42

Me -It is fortunate for our country we are not at War with the rich, nor are we being oppressed by them.

John- BUT, THEY ARE AT WAR WITH US!
01/17/12 @ 09:06

Caspian - Bush & Cheney for 8 years did nothing about it until the BAILOUT for Wall Street and not MAIN STREET.
01/17/12 @ 09:17

TO MIKE G.

WHAT IS NOT CORRECT ABOUT THIS?

The root of the problem was terminating Glass/Steagall which is the elephant in the room that nobody is addressing.

Dodd/Frank only put a bandaid on a Cancerous Wall Street.

President Bill Clinton & Speaker Newt Gingrich allowed Wall Street to steal by terminating Glass/Steagall.

Bush & Cheney for 8 years did nothing about it until the bailout for Wall Street and not main street.

This too me is a war on the Middle Class, Working Poor, and Indigent Americans.

Glass/Steagall was implemented because of the crash of 1929.

Fiscal conservatives and F.D. Roosevelt were against government insuring private bank savings.

It only materialized because it was promoted by moderate Republicans like Arthur Vandenburg and Populist Democrats like Henry Steagall. ( Glass-Steagall.)

History repeats my friend.

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999
Senate voted 90 yea 8 nay / http://banking.senate.gov/conf/
This proves beyond all doubt that both parties do not represent “We The People”!
http://banking.senate.gov/conf/

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999-Part 2
http://tinyurl.com/ccs348

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999-Part 1
http://tinyurl.com/dfnkuu

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999
Bill Clinton and the Republicans did away with oversight.
President Bill Clinton signed this into law with 54 Republicans voting yes and 44 Democrats voting no./ http://tinyurl.com/5lwv6z
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00105

On the Conference Report (S.900 Conference Report )

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00354

"Mike where do you come off as the new resident expert and leading Ron Paul supporter on this board. We Caspian and myself were aboard in 2007"..."



John, as painful as it has been I've listened to all the far left positions you and Caspian have taken over the years for a very, very long time.........much longer than Mike G. has and I conclusively can say that you and Caspian have absolutely nothing in common with Ron Paul other than your insane longing for retreat and surrender
from those who are about to assassinate you. Does lifetime cover from the draft really mean that much to you that you are willing to sacrifice all your stated ideals and all you've ever professed to believe in as a bleeding heart liberal? The two of you did fit in very nicely when campaigning for a Ralph Nader or Dennis Kucinich, but Ron Paul??? As two proclaimed
ultra liberals, Ron Paul should be your worst nightmare!!! What should shock you back to reality is that had it not been for Ron Paul's idiotic and suicidal ideas on foreign policy and defense
I could see voting for Ron Paul myself. Mind you, I am someone who would gladly vote and campaign for George Bush tomorrow (and with great pride), if that were at all possible.

America’s Dirty War Against Manufacturing (Part 1): Carl Pope
By Carl Pope - Jan 17, 2012 “I’d love to make this product in America. But I’m afraid I won’t be able to.”

My host, a NASA engineer turned Silicon Valley entrepreneur, has just conducted a fascinating tour of his new clean-energy bench-scale test facility. It’s one of the Valley’s hottest clean-technology startups. And he’s already thinking of going abroad.

“Wages?” I ask.

His dark eyebrows arch as if I were clueless, then he explains the reality of running a fab -- an electronics fabrication factory. “Wages have nothing to do with it. The total wage burden in a fab is 10 percent. When I move a fab to Asia, I might lose 10 percent of my product just in theft.”

I’m startled. “So what is it?”

“Everything else. Taxes, infrastructure, workforce training, permits, health care. The last company that proposed a fab on Long Island went to Taiwan because they were told that in a drought their water supply would be in the queue after the golf courses.”

So begins my education on the hollowing-out of the American economy, which might be titled: “It’s not the wages, stupid.”

Manufacturing’s share of U.S. employment peaked in 1979 and has since fallen by almost half. Although manufacturing has been a relative bright spot in the dismal economy of the past couple of years, in the last decade, the U.S. lost a third of its manufacturing jobs, with the damage rippling far beyond that base to erode millions of jobs that are dependent on it.

Tomorrow’s Losses
The loss of textile, shoe and toy production to low-wage competitors such as China, and now Cambodia, has devastated a few regions, particularly South Carolina. But the loss of yesterday’s manufacturing isn’t the really painful part: It’s losing tomorrow’s manufacturing: automobiles, electronics, metal fabrication, specialty chemicals, appliances and consumer electronics.

Those industries left the U.S. in search not of cheaper workers, but of more supportive governments. If the U.S. lost manufacturing due to high wages (or unions, labor laws, regulation -- the other commonly cited villains), how do you explain the manufacturing success of Germany and Japan? Germany, the world’s pre-eminent high-end manufacturing economy, has higher wages, stronger unions and stricter labor laws than the U.S. Japan, too, is a high-wage competitor, yet Toyota Motor Corp. still makes 60 percent of its vehicles there. General Motors Co. makes only about 30 percent in North America.

So if wages aren’t to blame, what is?

Policy. But is U.S. government policy really hostile to manufacturing?

Sadly, yes. Take tax policy. Historically, manufacturing was the high-wage sector of the economy -- manufacturing jobs still pay about 30 percent more than service jobs in education and health care -- so tax policy milked it. Manufacturing companies, in the old days, actually paid the corporate income taxes that many others avoided. Commodity producers (oil, timber, agribusiness) lobbied for, and received, federal subsidies, with investors in oil and gas wells simply voiding corporate income taxes on the profits they earned. Banking, retail and services found their own ways around taxes, often by offshoring intellectual property or shifting profit to tax havens. Eventually, manufacturers figured out how to duck taxes as well -- by going overseas.

Varying Regulations
Yet it isn’t just taxes. Wind turbines, for example, are enormous, heavy and expensive to transport -- so there is a big advantage to fabricating them close to the installation point. But consider the predicament of the Spanish wind manufacturer Gamesa Corporacion Tecnologica SA after it began operations in Pennsylvania. Because the George W. Bush administration’s Department of Transportation wouldn’t establish uniform standards for transporting the enormous turbine blades, each state followed its own rules. Whenever a blade crossed a state line it had to be unloaded by a construction crane and then reloaded to conform to the next state’s specifications.

Similar policy failures explain why Minnesota’s Port of Duluth exports iron ore to China and imports wind turbines from Europe. On the way to China, the ore freighters pass Chicago; Gary, Indiana; Cleveland; and Buffalo, New York -- cities where steel could be made and turned into turbine towers. But the U.S. wind market is too small, and the government too focused elsewhere, to make it profitable.

And that Long Island golf-course story? Not unique to New York. During the 1991 California drought, Silicon Valley’s electronics manufacturers were warned by Governor Pete Wilson that the state might have to shut off their water supply. Agriculture, Wilson said, came first. When I asked a Silicon Valley lobbyist in Sacramento if he had quietly received assurances that California would prioritize 21st-century computer chips over 19th-century alfalfa, he said he hadn’t. In fact, he said, some plant expansions initially planned for Silicon Valley were being diverted to Oregon to secure access to water.

In 1991, it was Oregon. Today, it’s Asia. Conventional wisdom blames globalization for the exodus of factories and jobs. Because other countries pay lower wages, the thinking goes, there is nothing we can, or even should, do about it. But the evidence of Germany and Japan -- and the experience of manufacturers in the U.S. -- tells a very different story.

We are not victims of an impersonal Leviathan called “globalization.” We’re the suckers who allowed our government to sacrifice the manufacturing sector while protecting the real winners: commodities, intellectual property, finance and agribusiness. The U.S. didn’t lose its manufacturing leadership; it threw it away.

(Carl Pope is a former chairman of the Sierra Club. The opinions expressed are his own.)

Ron Paul should be your worst nightmare!!! BF.

Absolutely Not!

Ron Paul is a nightmare for Wall Street Bush and Wall Street Obama, not authentic liberals or authentic conservatives.

Obama is a third term of Bush/Cheney and yet you despise Obama and love Bush.

In 2008 I voted for Ron Paul in the Republican primary and Ralph Nader in the general election.

I will never ever vote for another corporate Bush Republican or corporate Clinton Democrat.

I am tired of getting sold out by both parties.

Hey Bill, did you hear that the leaders of the Tea Bags are endorsing Wall Street Romney?

Yes they are, Republican Senator Jim DeMint and Republican Governor Nikki Haley both from South Carolina.

ROTFLMAO

LOL

All hands on deck!!! Too late to re-arrange the deck chairs. Secret life of Capt "Flip-Flop" Exposed to full transparency... Abandon Ship... Abandon Ship... Don't look away now. It's the GOP Romney Going downnnnn, ...going downnnn, ... blub, blub, ...blubbb

Romney Gets, ... Wikileaked. Everything you never knew about "the Bain Man" aka/ Max Headroom ...and more.
Right HERE!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/opposition-file-romney-hits-internet-likely-2008-mccain-094643763.html

So he likes to fire people, heh?

Hey, what goes around, comes around.
... and God definitely doesn't like- ugly!

In a twinkling of an eye, the door of opportunity blasts open, and a blinding light shines through, for "real" freedoms and justice to emerge victorious. Snatching victory from the jaws of the Evil Corporate Empire's Darth Romney.

Alert! Alert! Calling Captain "Freedom".

Theme Songs-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rRWtJq3__g

This One's for You Caspian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5c2isk8NpE&context=C3d6b03fADOEgsToPDskIhVby4WDls_gOTq2DZsR7w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9FkVKfbZ3g

Ron Paul Unites!

Ron Paul has the support of 70% of our children in the military.

HOW'S THIS FOR SOME WICKED COMEDY HUMOR

TITLE: LETHAL "WEEP-ON'S" PART-4
STARRING: John McCain


The kiss of death! McCain endorses Romney. Then the McCain files on Romney slips from his hands and into full view. Oooooops!
http://news.yahoo.com/opposition-file-romney-hits-internet-likely-2008-mccain-094643763.html
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Is this too much of a co-incidence or is John McCain...
a) the tragic x-factor in the real life version of "The Manchurian/Vietnamese Candidate"

b)"the bane" of Republican existence.
=====================
McCains Tragic Co-Starring Roles in
THE Dumbya beat You-
An AWOL Bush-Lite slights McCain as not hero enough and WINS! This one gets a 4 SANDBAGGER RATING:

Witchy Woman-
McCain plays 2nd fiddle to ex-cheerleader mom with enough x-ray vision to defend America from her home. This Boo- "you know who" gets a 3 Stabs-In-the-Back Sleeper RATING:

Dr Strangelove meets The Gramm Cracker-
MCCain portrays himself as a wannabee leader who can't identify which foreign land is his target and where exactly it might be located. This plot is only to be upstaged by his shadowy figure and financial expert Phil Gramm who wipes out his election chances by imploding the entire US economy. This one gets a triple ooops, ...and a GASP!:RATING

MCCAIN STRIKES BACK!- One nasty GOP backstabbing turn deserves another. McCain steals the show, In this hilarious not-ready for-prime-time comedy. McCain drops the bomb file and the curtain falls on lead figure Romney. McCain enjoys the last laugh at his back-stabbing partys expense.

How Looney Tunes is THAT?
Be-dee, be-dee, be-dee, ...THAT'S ALL FOLKS!!!

"TO MIKE G.

WHAT IS NOT CORRECT ABOUT THIS?

"The root of the problem was terminating Glass/Steagall which is the elephant in the room that nobody is addressing.

Dodd/Frank only put a bandaid on a Cancerous Wall Street.

President Bill Clinton & Speaker Newt Gingrich allowed Wall Street to steal by terminating Glass/Steagall.

Bush & Cheney for 8 years did nothing about it until the bailout for Wall Street and not main street.

This too me is a war on the Middle Class, Working Poor, and Indigent Americans.

Glass/Steagall was implemented because of the crash of 1929.

Fiscal conservatives and F.D. Roosevelt were against government insuring private bank savings.

It only materialized because it was promoted by moderate Republicans like Arthur Vandenburg and Populist Democrats like Henry" Steagall. ( Glass-Steagall.) - Caspian



TO CASPIAN

WHAT IS NOT CORRECT ABOUT PROTECTING OUR BORDERS?

"Bush & Cheney for 8 years did nothing about it until the bailout for Wall Street and not main street."- Caspian

I believe Conservative Ron Paul voted against Wall Street bailouts which I would expect but I wonder, if he were president would he use taxpayer money to bailout Mainstreet instead? Hmmm, I just don't think Conservative Ron Paul would but I don't know because I am no expert. I may need to refer to an expert. Is there an expert on the board that can answer that question? John, Caspian, anybody?

"Hey Bill, did you hear that the leaders of the Tea Bags are endorsing Wall Street Romney?"


They don't even come close to speaking for the Tea Party............besides did you hear that Sarah Palin, as well as Bill F. is sticking with Newt?
Now that's news! If it comes down to it, I'll vote Romney but Newt flies like a butterfly and stings like a bee, he'd KO Obama in the second round
if they give him the chance.

Gingrich's Practical Conservatism:

January 18, 2012

Newt Gingrich identified the very core of conservatism with his remarks in the first South Carolina presidential debate. His vision of conservatism is the one that most Republicans don't understand and most Democrats don't want you to know.

Gingrich was asked to explain his views on work ethic and the government erosion of that ethic through (at least in part) federal and state entitlement programs like food stamps. He suggested that poor high school students be given opportunities to perform janitorial services in their schools as a way to earn money and to learn how to work at a job.

He then cut to the chase on why a jobs program like that would benefit everyone involved: "I believe every American of every background has been endowed by their Creator with the right to pursue happiness," he said. "And [even] if that makes liberals unhappy, I'm going to continue to find ways to help poor people learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job, and learn some day to own the job."

So there you have it -- the very practical essence of what it means to be a conservative today. It's not about keeping taxes low, although that generally makes the most sense. It's not about being hawkish in conflicts around the globe, although a strong national defense -- even outside our borders -- is crucial. It's especially not about favoring one group -- big corporations or small businesses, white or black, poor or rich -- over another.

Conservatism is about conserving our unalienable rights -- among these being life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- and preserving, protecting, and promoting those rights for the benefit of everyone in the country. It's a lofty goal, for sure, and one well-served by helping poor people to learn how to get a job, move to a better job, and then eventually own businesses that provide more jobs. The key to conservatism is that ownership -- not entitlement -- becomes the key. Ownership is the hallmark of a strong community, while entitlement is the mark of a strong government. A conservative knows which one to choose.

If Newt had been tying food stamps solely, or even primarily, to the black community -- which I don't think he did -- he would have been wrong. While slightly more than a quarter of food stamp recipients are black, nearly 60 percent are white. For the poor in our country, a conservative knows that short-term help is necessary. But a conservative knows that the short-term help often must come from the community itself rather than from the government. Governments generally administer programs badly and largely for the benefit of those in charge. Communities, on the other hand, provide help to those who need it because it is good for the community and because the individuals in that community have chosen to give their help as a way to pursue their own happiness.

Most politicians whom I know -- from either party -- do not understand the true role of a conservative or, if they do, have chosen to ignore it. Why else would we have the constant move to greater government involvement in all matters fiscal and even social, with increasingly poor results? All the while, we have families and individuals that have become dependent on entitlements that we cannot continue to afford and that do not serve to promote an ownership-based society.

Why can't we elect leaders who will allow the American people to grow their own businesses, to hire people to work at those businesses, and to have enough non-taxed income so that they can pursue their own happiness and give assistance to those in their communities who need it? While this article is not intended to be a paean to Newt Gingrich, at least he understands that work provides great advantages to the poor, not the least of which is the opportunity to earn money. "Only the elites," he adds, "despise earning money."

And the next time you speak to your elected officials, especially if they claim to be conservative, ask them to tell you what it is that they are conserving. You may need to remind them.

Ron Paul’s Absurd ‘Golden Rule’:

January 18, 2012

Congressman Ron Paul showed in the January 17th Fox News debate why he would be so dangerous as president and commander-in-chief. He believes, in a twist on the Judeo-Christian Golden Rule, that our Islamist enemies are only assaulting us because we assaulted them first. Sorry, appeaser-in-chief Paul, but the Koran commands devout jihadists to use whatever means are necessary to destroy all infidels, no matter what we have done or plan to do to them.

As part of an exchange involving the appropriate response to al Qaeda and their Taliban supporters, Paul exclaimed:

My point is, if another country does to us what we do others, we’re not going to like it very much. So I would say that maybe we ought to consider a golden rule in — in foreign policy. Don’t do to other nation… what we don’t want to have them do to us.

Paul even offered the absurd analogy comparing our killing of the mass murderer Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil, where he was provided a sanctuary, to the Communist Chinese government deciding to go after a Chinese dissident seeking freedom in the United States. Newt Gingrich properly labeled this comparison “utterly irrational.”

Ron Paul may have some good ideas on reining in the power of the Federal Reserve and on the need to control federal spending. But he is clueless in dealing with our Islamist enemies. He either does not understand or refuses to believe the ideology that drives them. They want to kill us because our nation is governed on the basis of principles derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs including the true Golden Rule. They hate us because of who we are, not for any alleged harm that we’ve ever caused them.

Only three years after the United States won its independence, when there was no Jewish state for Muslims to resent, and no American troops on Muslim soil, Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then U.S. Ambassador to Britain, learned from a Muslim ambassador to Britain why the Muslims were so hostile towards Americans. Jefferson and Adams were attempting to negotiate a peace treaty with the Muslim “Barbary pirates,” an exercise that ultimately proved to be futile.

As Jefferson and Adams later reported to Congress, the Muslim ambassador explained to them that Islam

Was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.

All that Ron Paul needs to do is take a look at the Koran itself, cited by that Muslim ambassador more than 200 years ago, to understand the source of the jihadist ideology that we are still fighting today.

Here is a sample:

• “Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them.” (Koran, 2:191)

• “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other.” (Koran 5:51)

• “Shall I tell you who, in the sight of God, deserves a yet worse retribution than these? Those [the Jews] whom God has rejected and whom He has condemned, and whom He has turned into monkeys and pigs because they worshiped the powers of evil.” (Koran 5:60)

• “I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them.” (Koran, 8:12)

• “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

• “[F]ight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (Koran, 9:29)

TO CASPIAN

WHAT IS NOT CORRECT ABOUT PROTECTING OUR BORDERS? MG.

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Bush and Cheney did not protect our borders even after the worst attack since Pearl Harbor.

NAFTA is more important than average citizens.

besides did you hear that Sarah Palin, as well as Bill F. is sticking with Newt? BF.

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Why would a true conservative vote for Newt instead of Paul?

Why did the Republican party not allow Paul to speak at the convention in 2008?

Because the Republican party is all about sensationalism and hate speak, that is why Rush "From Drugs" Lying Corporatist Limbaugh is so popular.

Sad, but true.

I just don't think Conservative Ron Paul would but I don't know because I am no expert. MG.

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Once you get into the White House you are bought and paid for, loyal to your corporate masters.

This One's for You Caspian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5c2isk8NpE&context=C3d6b03fADOEgsToPDskIhVby4WDls_gOTq2DZsR7w John.

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Thanks, I could not find that the other day.

Bill F: Ron Paul should be your worst nightmare!!! BF.

Caspian: Absolutely Not!

Ron Paul is a nightmare for Wall Street Bush and Wall Street Obama, not authentic liberals or authentic conservatives.
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Caspian: Bill F is shaking in his boots. He has nothing in common with Ron Paul or our troops in theatre on whose lives are on the firing lines. He's a merchant and a salesman that hawks "death and "fears". He is very unhappy when thoughts that his bread and butter is being taken away from him. He knows that the jig will soon be up for the Romeny-oid and soon his only option will be to hope for the ObamaBush to "Stay the Course" which we all know he won't.
Obama must tact hard left in order to ride try to ride out the waves of the Paul tsunami heading his way.
When Ron Paul gets in, it's curtains for the Industrial Military Complex, the Fed, and the rest of the globalist liquidators and ponzi schemers.
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To MikeG: Ron Pauls foreign policy will dictate either one or two things.
1. The too big to fails will defect and transplant their HQs elsewhere where they are looked upon as pariahs of a parasitic Evil Corporate Empire. Do they want to want to live out their lives in constant fear in the lands of strong dictators? Nah! But if so, necessitating a Ron Paul response of full out ramping of domestic manufacturing and US ingenuity and domestic entrepeneurship that would be allowed full reign to flourish.

2. These same too big to fails will begin to realize that the grass isn't greener nor are they any safer abroad and they will return home with all of their cutting edge technologies and export what we can defend with 100% certainty right here in the good ole USA.

#. Then again, there's always the threat of the role that the IMC free radicals shattered all around the world may be enlisted to play. and their quirky devil may care tentacles that might stop at nothing especially where pay to play merceneries are concerned and added to the mix to cause an international incident anywhere- just to keep the $$$ and fear factor flowing in their direction. Might see them intervene with a fireworks display just before the election if they are really frightened about losing their controls and funding.
Remember, that they too are major players and some of the heaviest hitters on Wall St and beyond. Right, Bill?
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Bill F: You might want to ask yourself why Dick Cheney and Bill Kristol are still banging that "good" Taliban drum, while remaining stateside to avoid "their" obligations of looking at our troops dead in the face, and awaiting their response and approval?
WHERE DO YOU STAND WITH THOSE DRAFT AVOIDING "COUNTERFEIT" PATRIOTS?

CONCERNED CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.

By the way sport, it's great to hear from you "live" and with your own personal critique. I appreciate that. You can't fathom where I stand, or why, because positions of power, insight and spiritual awareness are an ever changing evolution based upon anticipation of upcoming events.

Do you understand? Comprende? Capisce? ni tingdong ma?

I can place myself in the shoes of everyman's indignity, suffering, and historical and indiginal pains.
I've seen and understand their pride. Value the cultures, respect their families and traditions. And pray to see all good wishes and dreams come true.
We are all bettered when a conflict is met and resolved with a smile and handshake,
... than with bullets from a gun.

We are all bettered when a man or womans hard work is respected and privacy is a solace, a domain, and a fortress for the every soul to revel or rest as they alone see fit. For we are all masters of our own universe,... living for but a short time, on this blessed and wonderous earth.
To engage to shorten one minute of one's life, to take that life from another, crushing forever a dream that might better the world- is not where I'd place my values.
I believe in a better day. I'll know it, when I see it.

Bill F is shaking in his boots. John.

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Yes, his cowboy boots.

BillF: The nation of Islam was spurred by Abraham foresaking his son, Ishmael for the approval of jealous and ambitious high priests seeking to replace him for consorting with a non-Jew.
Therefore, at the very root of Islam is the seed of a foresaken Jew whose mother was scorned and defiled then cast into the desert to die in shame by these not so pious high officials of Gods chosen people. Was it Gods will that they survived. Was it Gods will that this abominable act, be punishable enough to remove from plain sight the entry point to peaceful heavenly existence for viciously disobeying his spiritual Commandments of ONENESS. Did God grant unto Ishmael, Abrahams first born and heir to his throne, a nation of his own as a counterbalance the wickedness of tghe high priests Ponder that. Don't reply until you have done "REAL" research.

By the way, hows that "mote" doing?
You might want to have it plucked, it might improve your vision.

SEE: http://bible.cc/genesis/25-12.htm

SEEMS TO ME THAT THE SOONER THAT JEWS AND MUSLIMS COME TO REALIZE THAT THEY ARE WHILE THEY SO ADAMENT ABOUT "HATING" THEIR OWN DISTANT BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT THEY ARE LIVING A HELL OF THEIR OWN CREATION.



We can only hope the day comes soon that both sides of this FAMILY FEUD harboring such hideous venom for one another stop the madness to bring about the beginnings of true brotherhood uniting the lost tribe forming that heavenly peace that the Creator has promised.

A show of respect and tolerance unincumbered by anyone else's ambitions or dastardly provocations are in order.
This day is also, soon coming.
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*By the way, you don't have to cite the Bible of the Koran to fully observe similar barbaric treatment and ill will activitys- being imposed in real time by the secular State of Israel that has blatantly embraced and commanded apartheid strictures within it's own jurisdictions. Set torturous inhumane conditions in lands under their military control. Bombed and destroyed the lives of a 1/4million Lebanese allies, belying the good name and honorable intentions and traditions of their religious faithful who were returned to Israel as true believing survivors of the Nazi hell. Again, miraculously spared against all odds these survivors, redeemed as Chosen People to mark the historic moment.

That day is Coming! When mankind comes to it's senses and learns for itself that no entity, no feud, and no amount of riches is worth killing for. Amen.

Disregard the URL's on the last two posts it is irrelvant.

The intifada started in Genesis 16:12
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

ISHMAEL IS THE FOUNDER OF Jebusites, Canaanites, Amorites, Philistines, Hivites, Hittites, Midianites, Amalekites, Egyptians, Chaldeans, Babylonians, Arabs, Medes and Persians.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Moses of Israel won and Pharaoh of Egypt lost.

David of Israel won and Goliath of Philistines lost.

I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.

Genesis 16

Hagar and Ishmael
1 Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”
Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.

When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, “You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my slave in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me.”

6 “Your slave is in your hands,” Abram said. “Do with her whatever you think best.” Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.

7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:

“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,[a]
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”

13 She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen[c] the One who sees me.” 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi[d]; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.

15 So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. 16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.

United States Congress: A Graveyard for Democracy and Justice

by Ralph Nader January 19, 2012 /

In 2012, Congress, the editor implied, would be busy electioneering. That is, the Senators and Representatives will be busy raising money from commercial interests so they can keep their jobs. There won't be much time to change anything about misallocated public budgets, unfair tax rules, undeclared costly wars, and job-depleting trade policies that, if fixed, would increase employment and public investment.

"Why would a true conservative vote for Newt instead of Paul?"


Paul is not a Conservative he is an off-the-wall Libertarian and is in the business of being a spoiler on the backs of others....this is why you are attracted to him.....political spoiling has always been your first love Caspian as long as I've known you. Don't get me wrong Caspian, shit stirring is an art form, with you being a master artist.

"Bill F is shaking in his boots."


Whose shaking in their bedroom slippers John? Maybe you should re-read my prior post. (see excerpt below)


Does lifetime cover from the draft really mean that much to you that you are willing to sacrifice all your stated ideals and all you've ever professed to believe in as a bleeding heart liberal?

BREAKING NEWS!!!


Rick Perry has just announced that he is dropping out of the presidential race anf throwing his support to Newt Gingrich. Remember.....you heard it here first.

BREAKING NEWS!!!


Rick Perry has just announced that he is dropping out of the presidential race and throwing his support to Newt Gingrich. Remember.....you heard it here first.

Caspian: Did you hear that? Rick Perry is assuming that the 1% support he had in SC is going to follow his directive to vote for "the Newt" of Gingrich. Who cares?
By the time that ABC's interview with M Gingrich hits the screen both Newts will be wondering what hit them.
Ron Pauls rally today at a SC univ was awesome, not so much for the content but for the love and committment that's coming through from his followers thats front and center loud and clear.
While watching the event I saw an audience trying desperately to come to grips with what he saying. None seemed overly enthused. Then came the Q&A and the faces lost the apprehension caused by Pauls rapid fire delineation of specificwrongs that need fixing.
Then came the exit, which should have been over and out in a matter of a few moments.
WOW! Paul was received by his supporters with sincere loving adoration and respect the exit took well over 10minutes and Ron Paul chatted, answered the skeptics cordially, took time for photo-ops and embraced all who could reach him. Amazing!
WE HAVE A WINNER!

God bless him.

Sorry, Bill. Were you trying to be funny? Let's assume that you were. hahahahaa

"Sorry, Bill. Were you trying to be funny? Let's assume that you were. hahahahaa"


Would you still be laughing if President Paul ended social security as you know it? He forsees a ss system where anyone who wants can opt out. Who would then support your sorry ass John?
Then again, he also wants to end government funded health care. Still laughing?

How many people in this economic climate w/ all the ponzi scheming and insider trading and the Goldman Sachs Fed playing heads we win/tails you lose hedge games with their full 3 second advantage, do you think are really going to play the Wall St Casino and opt out of SSI?
The next generation can't even play the game because the private sector hasn't even brought the jobs here to pay them.
The 40-60's won't bite either unless they have money to burn.
The 20's-30's are still buying X-box and are waiting out the storm. They are and the force most pissed of at the crooked playing field and for the most part are the OWS.
On your side of the ledger, you have the matching 401k adventurers, yeah they'll play the game, ... but! not with their money.
... and the top 2% who still have excess money to burn. They also are capped in their SSI payments at $112K.

SO WHY SHOULD I WORRY ABOUT A RON PAUL PRESIDENCY THAT RUNS 4-8YRS THAT LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD- SO THAT WHEN "WE THE PEOPLE DO FINALLY GET BACK INTO THE STOCK MARKET, WITH "JOBS" THAT PAY ENOUGH TO PLAY IN "THE STOCK MARKET CASINOS" THE ODDS OF WINNING WILL HAVE SLID BACK TO NEAR EVEN, WITH "REAL" WATCHDOGS, WITH BITE.
Hmmmmm. Lets see American jobs, the end of free trade, a Wall St that is public friendly, the middle class working again, no more wars, no more wars. $$$, $$$$, $$$$$$. I see SSI coffers refilled and overflowing. All that and a sound dollar too.

Ron Paul is right, we don't need to be in every country policing the world but Ron Paul is wrong if he does not recognize that evil exists and wants to hurt us. We must have a strong defense but strength is not measured by how many undeclared Wars we are involved in.

Little by little our rights are being taken away in the name of protecting Americans.

It is not ok to engage in conflict after conflict without a declaration of war.
It is not ok to destroy the liberty of law biding citizens in the name of security.
It is not ok to ignore our borders.
It is not ok to demand we buy healthcare.
It is not ok to protect business rights over the peoples rights.
It is not ok to allow deficits to grow out of control.
It is not ok to allow foreign entities to buy up a majority of America.
It is not ok to control our freedom of expression according to this governments standards.
It is not ok to steal from one person to give to another.
It is not ok to lie to us.

By what they have done and what they have failed to do, the problem is government. More of the same government won't fix it. We need better government by the people that serves the people, all people. Is Ron Paul the answer? I don't know, I only know what we have now is not.

political spoiling has always been your first love Caspian as long as I've known you. Bill F.

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Have you ever considered that by me voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primary against John McCain and Ralph Nader in the general election against Barack Obama, I am the one who actually voted for change?

I don't see it as spoiling, but what I do see is you continuing the status quo.

I feel sorry for you BF because you are going to get Romney shoved down your throat just like the Democrats got Kerry in 2004.

Ron Pauls rally today at a SC univ was awesome. John.

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I agree and seen that this morning on Cspan.

".....by me voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primary against John McCain and Ralph Nader in the general election against Barack Obama, I am the one who actually voted for change?"


There is good change but equally there is also bad change. With two wars being fought to which we were deeply committed, the change that Paul would have engineered would have been very very bad change, forever branding the USA as cowards and leaving us prey for every hostile and unstable second rate power to use the USA as their punching bag at will. Besides, with Obama there has been enough socialistic destructive change to last for generations. Much of it you and John campaigned for on RNN but now disavow any connection to this moron. McCain would have been a far superior president, hands down! ........And we would have been long out of this recession, adding many more jobs with serious cutting to the deficit under way. You guys will never admit that you blew it in a major way.

".....by me voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primary against John McCain and Ralph Nader in the general election against Barack Obama, I am the one who actually voted for change?"


There is good change but equally there can also be bad change. With two wars being fought to which we were deeply committed, the change that Paul would have engineered would have been very very bad change, forever branding the USA as cowards and leaving us prey for every hostile and unstable second rate power to use the USA as their punching bag at will. Besides, with Obama there has been enough socialistic destructive change to last for generations. Much of it you and John campaigned for on RNN but now disavow any connection to this moron. McCain would have been a far superior president, hands down! ........And we would have been long out of this recession, adding many more jobs with serious cutting to the deficit under way. You guys will never admit that you blew it in a major way.

With two wars being fought to which we were deeply committed, the change that Paul would have engineered would have been very very bad change, forever branding the USA as cowards and leaving us prey for every hostile and unstable second rate power to use the USA as their punching bag at will. BF.

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The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will NEVER EVER STOP another terrorist attack on US soil.

The USA could be there for the next hundred years and we are still vulnerable to another attack.

HINT: Hearts & Minds.

Terrorism is a tactic and invading and occupying countries does not work.

The USA will learn just as the Russians did in Afghanistan 1979-1989, that you cannot win a guerrilla war.

Iran got much stronger when Bush invaded Iraq and Obama killing UBL is only a symbolic victory, as was hanging Saddam.

The way to beat al Qaeda and any terrorist is by good police and CIA work with other countries helping us.

The life and limb lost and trillions spent was not worth it.

I know you are going to call me a communist, pacifist, suicidal maniac but I don't care. lol, lol, lol.

"The way to beat al Qaeda and any terrorist is by good police and CIA work with other countries helping us"


Even Clinton has admitted that it was a mistake when he handled the first World Trade Center bombing as a police crime.
It came back to haunt him and haunt the US a thousand times over when the job was finished by al Qaeda on 9/11.
Once you stop running from fights that need fighting around the world you can never stop running. What Romney said yesterday in the debate rings very true. We need to build our forces around the world to a point that nobody would dare test them. This is how to keep peace Caspian and then there would be no more wars.

What Romney said yesterday in the debate rings very true. We need to build our forces around the world to a point that nobody would dare test them.
BF
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This statement by Romney is chock-full of sensationalism and baloney.

The USA has always spent more on military in the world.

Someone should tell this fact to Romney.

Even Clinton has admitted that it was a mistake when he handled the first World Trade Center bombing as a police crime.
BF.


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The Republican Congress lead by Newt Gingrich did not fund counterterrorism, and Clinton caught all the perpetrators and gave them life sentences.

FBI Organization and Priorities
In 1993, President Clinton chose Louis Freeh as the Director of the Bureau. Freeh, who would remain Director until June 2001, believed that the FBI's work should be done primarily by the field offices. To emphasize this view he cut headquarters staff and decentralized operations. The special agents in charge gained power, influence, and independence.18

Freeh recognized terrorism as a major threat. He increased the number of legal attaché offices abroad, focusing in particular on the Middle East. He also urged agents not to wait for terrorist acts to occur before taking action. In his first budget request to Congress after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, he stated that "merely solving this type of crime is not enough; it is equally important that the FBI thwart terrorism before such acts can be perpetrated." Within headquarters, he created a Counterterrorism Division that would complement the Counterterrorist Center at the CIA and arranged for exchanges of senior FBI and CIA counterterrorism officials. He pressed for more cooperation between legal attachés and CIA stations abroad.19

Freeh's efforts did not, however, translate into a significant shift of resources to counterterrorism. FBI, Justice, and Office of Management and Budget officials said that FBI leadership seemed unwilling to shift resources to terrorism from other areas such as violent crime and drug enforcement; other FBI officials blamed Congress and the OMB for a lack of political will and failure to understand the FBI's counterterrorism resource needs. In addition, Freeh did not impose his views on the field offices. With a few notable exceptions, the field offices did not apply significant resources to terrorism and often reprogrammed funds for other priorities.20

What Romney said yesterday in the debate rings very true. We need to build our forces around the world to a point that nobody would dare test them. - BF

This statement by Romney is chock-full of sensationalism and baloney.The USA has always spent more on military in the world.- Caspian

It's interesting how we impose our own beliefs into what others say. Romney never said anything about "building up forces around the world." That's where the baloney comes in. Romney was responding to the idea of cutting the military budget 1 trillion dollars and his point is that we need to maintain a strong enough military that nobody would test it. Like Israel requires a strong defense but not a defense that needs to have its forces present and growing around the world.

A strong defense does requires a lot of money but being the policemen of the world requires more then we can afford and little in return.


From the debate:

"And I agree with what -- what Senator Santorum said with regards to our military budget. Right now for the president to be cutting $350,000 from our military budget, planning to cut another $650,000 -- $650 billion, excuse me -- 350 billion (dollars), another 650 billion (dollars) -- a trillion dollars -- his secretary of defense says that represents a doomsday scenario. We've got an aging Navy. We've got an aging Air Force. They're planning on cutting our number of active- duty personnel. They can't possibly keep up with the needs of our veterans. It is absolutely wrong to balance our budget on the backs of our military. We need a strong military -- so strong no one in the world would ever think of testing it." Romney

Cutting the military budget isn't entirely necessary either, Mike. Whereas , downsizing or leasing our protection is a very, very productive use of our materials and resources. We could just have those nations that are utilizing our protections at no cost to them, pay the full cost or something close to it.
If their governments can't absurb the entire burden then, their private sector should be engaged to chip in.
We are not the policemen of the world, and the globalists whereever they may rsside have not paid for their wars at all.
Sorry, my friend at this time, the buck must stop here. You and the 1% are not going to pass your still notion of a good idea that protects only your iuntersts on the rest of us. Create the million of jobs here immediately in the private sector, before even considering the notion of Romneys flibberjabber. Why?

Because it's premise is anal.
You will see insurrection coming out of Europe and its workforces much sooner than from any major assumed enemy or mickey mouse "landlocked" ocean away terror group that could only inflict damages of a limited radius and scope.
Our money should not be siphoned from our working population, in order to protect foreign scabs or advance globalist expansion.
Where's the border protection?
How was it that for all of this monstrous DOD paddings, strategizing, and surveillance upgrades. that an 7million invasionary force was allowed into this country, to inflict 10million casualties and the Department of Defense just stood by? Where's the intelligence?
Duh! Mike, use your head and quit listening to this mind numbing bullspit.
Government waste? Let's start here with the cost cutting and revenue building proposal at the top of the page.
Why hasn't the Romney "liquidator" done his homework and given us an austerity budget plan that streamlines the military so that it not only fits the budget, (which he did not say) but, also lowers the cost to the average taxpayer? Where is the upside for us to continue his extravagance?
By the way, I heard Romney too. So which is it, Mike. you don't want to support government to educate tomorrows army, but, you are willing to give Romney a blank check to continue the useless status quos of the WHAT ME WORRY ABOUT YOU AS LONG AS WE GET OURS military. Hmmmmmmmm! GEE, HOW IN YOUR WORLD IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN EVERY OTHER "UNION" THAT YOU'VE OPPOSED. Who is going to pay for that? Are you?

I for one am not impressed by scripted ambiguous one-liners and hypothetical empire building for the 1%. Not, with my money. Sometimes, there comes a point, when the aspirations of the rich socially detached and greedy, have to be paid, by the rich socially detached and greedy. PERIOD!

Cutting the military budget isn't entirely necessary either, Mike. -John

By the way, I heard Romney too. So which is it, Mike. you don't want to support government to educate tomorrows army, but, you are willing to give Romney a blank check.. - John

Sorry, my friend at this time, the buck must stop here. You and the 1% are not going to pass your still notion of a good idea that protects only your iuntersts on the rest of us.. - John

GEE, HOW IN YOUR WORLD IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN EVERY OTHER "UNION" THAT YOU'VE OPPOSED. Who is going to pay for that? Are you?- John

I am beginning to worry about you Bro, you are losing touch with reality. How does my comments in my last post regarding BF misquoting Romney, have anything at all to do with your above statements? It is as though, you use any opportunity you can to beat your drum that GOP and the 1% are bad, that Unions are good along with other nonsense about me wanting to cut the military budget and education which does not make any sense??

As a friend, I am asking you to GET A GRIP WITH REALITY. Lie's exaggerations and misstatements are not exclusive to the GOP or the Democrats, to the Liberals or the conservatives, to the Unions or the non-unions or the 1% or the 99%!! YOU HAVE CHOSEN YOUR TEAM AND YOU DON'T CARE WHETHER THEY ARE RIGHT OR WRONG. I have no team except the Giants. I seek only the truth. Stop with your agenda its not working.

Sorry Mike. I actually didn't see the the last paragraph was just as you had designated. Attributed as a quote from Romney.
I got thrown off by this line as I read it. "And I agree with what -- what Senator Santorum said with regards to our military budget." THOUGHT THE "I" IN THE SENTENCE WAS DEFINING YOUR THOUGHTS INSTEAD OF BEING ROMNEYS OWN WORDING.
Therefore, if you can find it possible please accept my SINCERE apology. And I stand 100% behind your assessment-John

MikeG: ...That's why as you suggest Romney will lose.
Go Giants. Say a prayer tonight for good weather and the Giants special teams cover teams and field goal kicker. Jeez, they are god awful and need to focus more keenly on their targets

"and Clinton caught all the perpetrators and gave them life sentences"

Clinton jailed the patsys and the masterminds were free to plan 9/11.

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Giuliani faults Bill Clinton for response to terrorism:

6/27/2007

VIRGINIA BEACH (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday accused former President Clinton of not responding forcefully enough to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing or later terrorist attacks.

The former New York mayor criticized Democrats, accusing them of weakness and naivete in dealing with terrorism. Giuliani made the comments to about 650 business, corporate and political leaders at Regent University, the conservative Christian college founded by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson.

"Islamic terrorists killed more than 500 Americans before Sept. 11. Many people think the first attack on America was on Sept. 11, 2001. It was not. It was in 1993," said the former New York mayor.

Giuliani argued that Clinton treated the World Trade Center bombing as a criminal act instead of a terrorist attack, calling it "a big mistake" that emboldened other strikes on the Khobar Towers housing complex in Saudi Arabia, in Kenya and Tanzania and later on the USS Cole while docked in Yemen in 2000.

"The United States government, then President Clinton, did not respond," Giuliani said. "(Osama) bin Laden declared war on us. We didn't hear it."

In hindsight, Giuliani said, maybe it's all clearer now, "but now is now, and there is no reason to go back into denial, and that is essentially what the Democratic candidates for president want to do: they want to go back, to put the country in reverse to the 1990s.

John, no apology needed and I hope my words were not to harsh. I just did not understand where you were coming from. Thank you for explaining! I think the willingness to admit a mistake is an affirmation of character, which shows that one's intentions are sincere. This removes division and promotes unity. I wish we all had that kind of character, then the world would not be so divided.

BTW, I was not disagreeing with Romney at all. I was just stating he did NOT say he wanted to grow the military bigger or build forces around the world. And that he does not want our defense cut to the bone because we need a strong defense and I agree with that!

(Ok you can take back that apology now if you like ..lol)

On the other hand we are united when it comes to the Giants at least. It will not be an easy game at all but I believe that whoever wants it most will win no matter what the weather conditions.. Go Giants!! Keep believing!

Romney never said anything about "building up forces around the world." MG.

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I know what BF meant and I did hear Romney saying that.

USA is number one in defense spending and Russia lost Afghanistan with the second best military on earth.

The largest military cannot stop a terrorist with a Dirty Bomb that can fit inside an average Van.

The 9/11 attack was on the Republican Bush/Cheney watch.

If it were a Democrat in the White House they would have been impeached.

We all should be focused on what Reagan's Budget director has to say instead of what Romney, Newt, or Obama is saying.

Crony Capitalism
January 20, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/7gqthba
Bill Moyers and former White House budget director David Stockman on how politics and high finance have turned our economy into a members-only private club.
http://billmoyers.com/episode/crony-capitalism/

"It's interesting how we impose our own beliefs into what others say. Romney never said anything about "building up forces around the world"


DUH! When forces are to be built up, of course they would also be built up where they are stationed around the world. Now, whose imposing their own beliefs?